Comments on: 1 October 1947 https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/ Important Dates in Aviation History Wed, 02 Oct 2024 12:56:07 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bryan Swopes https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-49249 Wed, 02 Oct 2024 12:56:07 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-49249 In reply to George.

True. The Douglas DC-3 had about the same leading edge sweep as the Messerschmitt Me-262, and for the same reason. To keep teh center of lift close to the center of gravity.

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By: Eric Bainter https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-49213 Tue, 01 Oct 2024 18:41:12 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-49213 In reply to Ken Swain.

It was the first model airplane I built, some time in the late 1960s, and ever since I’ve thought it the best looking fighter ever made, rivaled only by the P-51 and F-16. The proportions and visual balance of the F-86 are just right.

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By: George https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-49201 Tue, 01 Oct 2024 15:54:53 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-49201 In reply to Bryan Swopes.

Several other airplanes had swept wings prior to the F-86, such as the Dunne biplanes. But, as you reply, the sweep was used to rectify CG and stability and control issues, not for high-speed flight.

Perhaps your statement would be more correct to say “The XP-86 was unlike any airplane before it. It was the first airplane to incorporate a swept wing specifically for high-speed flight.”

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By: Bryan Swopes https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-25853 Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:35:29 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-25853 In reply to Kenneth Seals.

Good question, but that’s the info that I found. Later models had teh “6-3” wing, which replaced the slats with an extended leading edge.

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By: Bryan Swopes https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-25849 Sat, 02 Oct 2021 01:50:28 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-25849 In reply to Giles Patterson.

The leading edges of the Me 262 wings were swept aft 18.5°, this was done to keep the wing aerodynamic center in correct relation to the airplane’s center of gravity, as was the wing of the Douglas DC-3. The XP-86 wings were swept 35° specifically to increase the wings’ critical Mach number. This was proposed in 1945 by a NACA aerodynamicist, Robert T. Jones. Tthe German test results were not known in the U.S. at the time.

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By: Giles Patterson https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-25848 Sat, 02 Oct 2021 00:26:26 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-25848 “The XP-86 was unlike any airplane before it. It was the first airplane with a swept wing.”

Seems questionable statement. Surely that label belongs to the Me262 which 1st flew in 1941?

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By: Mike Hylton https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-25846 Fri, 01 Oct 2021 20:07:33 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-25846 The AF Museum has not been very good at retaining prototypes. The once white B-1 prototype is now elsewhere. The YB-36, XB-52, YB-52 all once displayed at the NMUSAF, were all scrapped.

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By: Kenneth Seals https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-25845 Fri, 01 Oct 2021 16:48:27 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-25845 Is the 290 kt slat extension speed correct? It seems extremely high.

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By: Ken Swain https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-24729 Sun, 04 Oct 2020 07:07:19 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-24729 Loved the f-86. Not many of us Sabre drivers left.

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By: Melvin Hoskins https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/1-october-1947/#comment-24724 Thu, 01 Oct 2020 23:45:03 +0000 http://www.thisdayinaviation.com/?p=6637#comment-24724 I note that “an officer in Welch’s chain of command” refused to endorse Gen Arnold’s recommendation for the MOH, because he took off without orders. That officer should have been recommended for early retirement, with a reprimand for lack of spine. If Welch had waited for orders, his aircraft would most likely have been destroyed on the ground, as were many US aircraft on the Day of Infamy.

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